brushles v's G2 poll

Just a simple poll to see what people think

i have been a big fan of brushed, but looks like iam now going lipo as tbh its cheaper an easyer an i need to try and beat 4cell racer some how, i carnt realy vote as ive not looked at the times between the classes

The performance is as near as you can get identical, the latest G2 brushed motors seem more powerful and consistant
than the older ones.
Some people seem to get the best out of a G2 e.g. Nick Cooper and Carl (both excellent drivers) and it is these two who I would compare the brushless with.
There seems to be a 'black art' of getting a G2 to go fast where as you dont need that knowledge with the brushless, they are very much the same day in day out, a level playing field, so it's just down to car setup and the driver.

I am enjoying some great close racing with Nick at Hinckley although Nick with brushed seems to have the upper hand over myself and the other brushless racers with other brushed further down the field, but thats maybe because the other brushed racers there are either end of the age range.

Combining the two classes at Hinckley has worked and I have no doubt it will work elsewhere.

JUST GIVE IT A CHANCE

The two should be put in together for sure. They are the same speed and it allows a natural progression to lipo as cells become less and less available meaning people can use whatever they have and still be competitive.
It also means that you keep the racing to two classes and that's much simpler to explain to a beginner and it attracts a larger field of drivers and numbers is what any successful series needs.

as posted by James

Heat 2 - Round 3 (Mardave V12)
Pos Car Arc Name Result Ave Best
=1 1 533 Nick Cooper 22 / 303.51 13.79 13.19 G2 4 slot
=1 2 698 James Carvell 22 / 303.51 13.79 12.95 Brushless 13.5 1s

Mardave V12 - A Final Leg 1
Pos Car Arc Name Result Ave Best
1 1 533 Nick Cooper 23 / 311.61 13.54 13.10
2 2 698 James Carvell 22 / 300.31 13.65 12.93


Mardave V12 - A Final Leg 2
Pos Car Arc Name Result Ave Best
1 2 698 James Carvell 22 / 301.06 13.68 13.00
2 1 533 Nick Cooper 22 / 301.52 13.70 13.03

LETS RACE TOGETHER

how goods this james though?

nicks fast as anything, i have been in the a finnal the last few times i have been ardent an hes still about two laps faster than me, did he not run both? if so whats his times as to have a fair test i think you would need to look at the same drivers times

Well james and nick have taken it in turn over the years to be Hinkley club champion so they are pretty damn close in terms of speed.

I have raced both brushed 4 cell and tried 13.5 1s in other peoples cars and they are very close.
Only thing I would say is that if the race distance was over 5 min the brushless would be unfairly fast as it doesnt suffer heat related drop off and neither do lipo cells drop off like nimhs so...............
5min races= ALL GOOOOODDDD

The evidence is there that the cars can run very equal but running them together gives people an option out of the "he got a good g2" syndrome or "he has xxxx amazing cells" with lipo and 13.5 vs cells and g2 to pick what you can afford, what works for you and it would appeal to tc drivers wanting abit of fun using gear they already have (13.5 being probably most popluar tc class) and bringing in new guys or long time mardave racers that have loads of cells and g2 related gear.

Tom Hampson (supadave circuit series champion and mardave nutcase)

Also running both together in a series gives you the option of changing mid series without losing championship points

I know it's not a popular choice but the Mardave system works with Lipo so I believe, anyone tried it?

The Mardave system is @ equal to a 10.5 so would not be included in the G2/13.5 class but would be in the proposed Superdave class

whell ive gone an orderd a load of crap

going for 13.5 fusion sport esc an motor

smc 4000mah lipo

novak booster

i will try it out an then vote

I dont think that these should be run together. Brushless is just easy, plug it in and go. Where as brushed requires maintenence and knowledge to get the best out of the car.

For that reason they should be in together because a beginner can pick up a car fit brushless and be competitive. If you want skillful mardaves then go into the supadave class or stay brushed 4cell and take pride in beating what you see as the easy option.

It's about making a level playing field for everyone not just beginners but guys in other classes with the kit laying around can join the class and with a bigger field of racers you get better quality closer racing.

The only problem I can see is that even now people are finding it harder to find some good NiMh cells so it wont be long before every one is on LiPo power

But for me I seen this years ago hence I no longer have any cells

But to run together in the same heat is no problem weather you want seprate championship well thats another . . .

If you say there is no way you can keep up with a Brushless system then you have to look at 4 things

1. ESC. . . . . . . is it the best. . has it got more punch than any other

2. Cells . . . . . . Are they matched cells do you equalise and charge to get best performance what you must do is discharge cells in a tray 2 or 3 days before a meeting at the meeting find out what heat you will be in and work back the charge time so your cells come off charge 2- 5 mins before a race so there hot .
Any other way forget it you stand no chance you have say 3 or 4 packs and have them numbered and you also have charged them and know that pack 1 takes 40 mins to charge pack 2 takes 35 mins etc . . YOU MUST HAVE THIS INFO

3. G2 Motor. . . . You did clean it out after every run did'nt you. . Have you learnt the art of getting the most out of it

4. Is the Car set up . . . Can you say you have it just right are you getting the best out of the car in corners and down the straight


If the answer is No to any one of the above then there is no way you will keep up with a good G2 set up like Nicks or Karls let alone a B/Less system .

If the answer is Yes then its time to throw away all items 1 to 3 and go brushless weather you want to or not . . .

I cannot stress enough item 4 its the bee all and end all of any race car be it 1/12th - TC - I.C


The times they are changing. . . . Welcome to the 21st centuary

Yes you are right. Brushless is the futre. Maintenece free, great performance and quite cheap. I think that i will be making the change.

Will be great to have you onboard Dan.